Caut un lemn care sa vibreze

[leo33]

Ma intereseaza un lemn sa vibreze ... pt. cineva care este are probleme cu vederea.... sper sa primesc ajutorul vostru... va multumesc de pe acum.... si daca cineva are ma intereseaza.... Sanatate pt totii !!!

[fake]

Va salut.
Un lemn care vibreaza si de asemenea are un control deosebit este Koukutaku Cremartop.
Este un lemn bun,doar joaca campionul amaturului cu el.

[cosminTGV]

si bty kreanga aeros vibreaza frumos. am eu unul nou de vanzare. cu 200 ron.

[krisztalori]

Timo boll forte este un lemn bun care vibreaza!

[Cipi]

Yasaka Ma Lin Extra Offensive

[ticu sorin]

De la Stiga Offensive CR WRB,credema este lemnul cu cea mai mare vibratie.Este un lemn suptirel si foarte usor.
http://www.stiga-tenis.ro/catalog1/l...ve-cr-wrb.html

[vrg]

gama donic senso !

[leo33]

Multumesc! Dar nu mai sunt?.... Si mai o rugaminte la voi... viti singeri cu voi si cu mine... daca nu stiti nu este nici o problema... am vazut ca uni spun al meu vibreaza doar ca sa si vanda lemnul... cineva care nu vede asa de bine are nevoie de el... Va multumesc din nou!

[Kobalt]

Eu am dat cu Nittaku Septear si fata de lemnul meu vibra...simteam la fiecare minge lovita vibratiile transmise de lemn in palma...e posibil altii sa nu fie de acord, dar din propria mea experienta, Nittaku Septear vibreaza, MAI ALES la lovituri plate, decisive aproape de masa si la topspinuri in forta, departe de masa (cand e necesar sa impingi un pic in minge ca sa se duca frumos si razant cu fileul)

[Visco]

Vibratia este o notiune diferita de la om la om, pt ca si sensibilitatea este diferita. Unii spun despre un lemn ca vibreaza tare, iar altii nici nu simt. Pt unii vibratie inseamna "SSS", pentru altii "ZZZ" iar pentru altii "BRRR".

[Gabriel91]

Am eu Nittaku Septear si nu mi se pare ca vibreaza chiar deloc!!! S-ar putea sa fie si in functie de tipul de fata folosit! cu o fata soft un lemn vibreaza mult mai mult! parerea mea!

[Kobalt]

Eu am scris cele de mai sus deoarece am dat cu un Nittaku Septear care avea pe el Stiga Boost TC lipita cu solutie cu toluen si am dat cu Xiom Strato care are pe el Joola Energy lipita cu solutie cu toluen...amandoua fetele fiind soft (si inmuiate si mai mult cu speed-glue) am simtit zero vibratii la al meu si multe "zzz"-uri si "brrr"-uri la Nittaku...deci conditiile de test au fost oarecum asemanatoare...
Si inca ceva...am citit mai demult printr-un topic pe-aici pe forum, ca cineva care a dat cu Nittaku Septear avea impresia ca nu vibreaza si dupa ce a dat cu un lemn cu carbon in el a ajuns la concluzia ca totusi Septear-ul vibreaza...nu sunt 100% sigur, dar e posibil sa fie VISCO (Aurel Onut) persoana in cauza.

[victor0987]

Lemnele defensive au un simt foarte bun, iar defensive nu inseamna neaparat lente, eventual puteti modifica lama prin micsorare la dimensiunile uneia de atac si veti obtine un lemn cu un control si feeling deosebit.

[Visco]

Eu am scris cele de mai sus deoarece am dat cu un Nittaku Septear care avea pe el Stiga Boost TC lipita cu solutie cu toluen si am dat cu Xiom Strato care are pe el Joola Energy lipita cu solutie cu toluen...amandoua fetele fiind soft (si inmuiate si mai mult cu speed-glue) am simtit zero vibratii la al meu si multe "zzz"-uri si "brrr"-uri la Nittaku...deci conditiile de test au fost oarecum asemanatoare...

Si inca ceva...am citit mai demult printr-un topic pe-aici pe forum, ca cineva care a dat cu Nittaku Septear avea impresia ca nu vibreaza si dupa ce a dat cu un lemn cu carbon in el a ajuns la concluzia ca totusi Septear-ul vibreaza...nu sunt 100% sigur, dar e posibil sa fie VISCO (Aurel Onut) persoana in cauza.

Nu am fost eu ala. Eu am avut f multe lemne cu carbon inainte de Septear si inca consider ca este un lemn care nu vibreaza. Dar cum lemnele sunt diferite, exista posibilitatea sa existe si Septear care vibreaza.
---------- Post added 17-Mar-2011 at 00:25 ----------
Si inca ceva: cateodata vibreaza fetele, daca ies in afara lemnului mai mult de 2-3mm.

[Alex.C]

raport pret-calitate - kokutaku cremrtop
vibratie, control si destula viteza

[Bogdan94]

Iara BTY balsa carbo x5 are vibratii dar mai mici

[cezarhtn]

un studiu facut de cineva pe un site german: se lasa mingea sa cada pe un lemn cu fete ,fara cu banda de cant,fara ...etc si cu ajutorul unui microfon se masoara frecventa lemnului dupa impact.La prima vedere am observat ca lemnele din categoria off+,au frecventa peste 1700 Hz. Ca observatie personala ,din cele care erau in lista eu m-am inteles cel mai bine cu cele cu frecventa peste 1600Hz.
Si niste chestii nostime care mi-au iesit la traducerea google:
"...Care nu schimba faptul ca sforaitul este olog în comparatie.
frecventa naturale pe ambele fete cu 1.5 mm tampoane: 850 Hertz
- Care sunt diferentele de la o locatie de la fata locului dulce?
- în cazul în care cu m?na, cât de greu crezi ca lemnul?"
Linkul cu traducerea:
http://forum.tt-news.de/showthread.php?t=52357
si tabelul cu frecvente:
Brand Model Frequency (Hz) Weight (g) Notes
Andro Kinetik CF OFF- 1556 86
Andro Leader 1288 86
Andro Super Core System off 1381
Avalox AVX Blue Thunder 550 1246 ST, nicht lackiert
Avalox Blue Thunder 550A 1180 CS, penholder, unbehandelt
Avalox Blue Thunder 555 1243 84
Avalox BT 550 1158
Avalox BT 555 1315
Avalox BT 777 1348 90
Avalox P500 1183
Avalox P500 1280 88
Avalox P500 1303 80
Banda Century 5 1138 88
Banda Scandik WRB 1140 76 3 mm gek?rzt
Best of Five Carbon AR Light 1674
Butterfly Adolescen 1209
Butterfly Adolescen 1227 89 5,75mm dick
Butterfly BalsaCarbo X3 1309
Butterfly BalsaCarbo X5 1659 75
Butterfly Boll Forte 1105 90
Butterfly Boll Off- 1210
Butterfly Boll Spark 1160 89 gerade, versiegelt
Butterfly Boll Spark 1162 83 gerade, versiegelt, gek?rzt
Butterfly Boll Spark 1240 82 konkav, versiegelt
Butterfly Boll Spirit 1453 87
Butterfly Boll Spirit 1458 96
Butterfly Chuan Chih-Yuan 1189 86
Butterfly Defence ST 1323
Butterfly Gergely 1677 94
Butterfly Gergely Carbon 1710
Butterfly Grubba ALL+ 1101 80
Butterfly Guo Yue Japan 1170
Butterfly Innerforce AL 1326 91 Konkav
Butterfly Innerforce ULC 1442
Butterfly Jonyer-Hinoki 1260 74 5,75mm dick
Butterfly Jun Mizutani 1475 90
Butterfly Keyshot Light 1531 85
Butterfly Keyshot Light 1555 83 Versiegelt
Butterfly Kiso Hinoki V 1527 79 gerade, versiegelt
Butterfly Kiso Hinoki V 1588 83 konkav, versiegelt
Butterfly Kong Linghui Spezial 1538 84
Butterfly Korbel deutsch 1204 ca. 5,9mm
Butterfly Korbel Japan 1091
Butterfly Korbel OFF Magic Hand 1297 93
Butterfly Korbel OFF- Japan 1265 88
Butterfly Korbel SK7 1355
Butterfly Maze Passion 1109 93
Butterfly Maze Passion 1201
Butterfly Mazunov 1455 ca. 6,8mm dick
Butterfly Michael Maze 1566 91
Butterfly Photino 1661
Butterfly Primo Classic 1166
Butterfly Primo Japan 1091 80
Butterfly Primorac Carbon OFF+ 1705
Butterfly Primorac Classic 1146 ca.5,7mm
Butterfly Primorac Japan AN 1188 87 5,7mm dick Japan ohne SN und ohne Metallschmetterling
Butterfly Primorac Japan ohne Seriennummer 1141
Butterfly Schlager Carbon 1950
Butterfly Schlager Inspire 1190 96
Butterfly Schlager Light 1700 86
Butterfly Schlager Precision 1270 80
Butterfly Schlager Precision 1309 84
Butterfly Secretin ALL 1088
Butterfly Tempest 1132 80
Butterfly Timo Boll ALC 1450
Butterfly Timo Boll All+ 1078 etwas kleiner geschliffen
Butterfly Timo Boll ZLC 1576
Butterfly Viscaria 1452
Butterfly Viscaria Light 1584
Butterfly Yoshida Kaii 1281 CS
DHS PF4-32 1345 CS
Donic Allplay alt (wei?e Linse) 1156 86
Donic Appelgren Allplay 1167 85 Nicht versiegelt, 20 Jahre alt
Donic Appelgren Falcon 1105 75
Donic Carbo System 1574
Donic Defplay Senso 829 ohne Griffschalen
Donic Defplay Senso konkav 977 83
Donic Epox Control 1100 80
Donic Epox Powerallround 1209
Donic Opticon 1531
Donic Persson Power Play V2 1211 84 5,5mm dick
Donic Persson Powerallround 1240 anatomisch
Donic Persson Powerallround 1313 80
Donic Persson PowerCarbon Senso 1431 90
Donic Persson Powerplay 1188 ohne Griffschalen, leicht angebrochen
Donic Waldner Diablo Senso 1282 Versiegelt
Donic Waldner Dicon 1273
Donic Waldner Senso Carbon 1200
Donic Waldner Senso Carbon 1204 84 5,5mm dick
Donic Waldner Senso Carbon 1221 85 Versiegelt
Double Fish 167 1083 FL
Gewo Power System 4.0 1441
Gewo Super Control 1099
Imperial Balsa Carbon 1716
Imperial Sensor 1108 91 DEF konkav/gerade
Joola Allround 1039 83
Joola Carbon Schweden 1250 84
Joola Play-OFF 1041
Joola Rossi Fire 1006 leicht angeknackst
Joola Rossi Force 1794
Joola Rosskopf Fire 1156 78
Joola S. Fetzner Carbon 1317
Joola Sting 1168 100
Juic Kalinic 1207
LKT Toxic3 1059
Nexy Color 1320 89 Konkav
Nittaku Acoustic 1210 89
Nittaku ANV 1280 91
Nittaku ANV WL 1230 77 6,1mm dick
Nittaku ANV WL 1324 FL
Nittaku Excellent AAA 2006 9.5mm, JS, nicht versiegelt, an beiden Seiten des Griffs viel abgeschliffen
Nittaku Runlox 5 1271 88 3mm gek?rzt
Nittaku Septear 1311 79 ST
Nittaku Septear 1423 CS, versiegelt, nur ganz leicht angeschliffen
Nittaku Violin 1059 86
Nittaku Violin 1240 88 gerade
OSP Virtuoso 1328 88 Gerade, nicht versiegelt
Schildkr?t Futec 1183
Sch?ler-Micke Allround+ 1164
Stiga Allround Classic 1092 ca. 5.2 mm dick
Stiga Allround Hans Alser 1983 1148 instand gesetzt
Stiga Allround NCT 1282 82
Stiga Allround Stellan Bengtson 1024 Gerade
Stiga Allround Ulf Tickan Carlsson 1096
Stiga Alser 69 1050 96
Stiga Alser All C-Serie 1170 92
Stiga alte dicke H?lzer 1150
Stiga Anniversary D202 1145
Stiga Anniversary LE2092 1017
Stiga Clipper 1307
Stiga Clipper CR 1234
Stiga Clipper Wood 1313 89
Stiga Clipper Wood 1344 CS, ca. 7.2mm dick
Stiga Def Wood C-Serie 1110 77
Stiga Ebenholz NCT V 1291
Stiga Ebenholz NCT V 1358 88 Nicht versiegelt
Stiga Ebenholz NCT VII 1288
Stiga Ebenholz V 1375 90 5,8mm dick
Stiga Energy Wood 1068 86 4-5 Jahre alt
Stiga Energy Wood 1178
Stiga Energy Wood WRB 1199 81 konkav, 10 Jahre alt
Stiga Graphite Wood 1185 94
Stiga Hybrid Wood 1321 85
Stiga Hybrid Wood 1322 99
Stiga Hypertech 35/45 1260 80 3mm gek?rzt, 5,5mm dick
Stiga Jubi LE Serie 1123 85
Stiga Jubi LE1054 1096 85 5,1mm dick
Stiga Metall Wood 1275 91
Stiga Off Classic 1178 75 5,5mm dick
Stiga Off Classic 1194 85 5,5mm dick
Stiga Offensive Classic 1100
Stiga Offensive Classic CR 1107 CS
Stiga Offensive CR 1160 81
Stiga Offensive CR 1163 79
Stiga Offensive CR 1189
Stiga Offensive NCT 1239 82
Stiga Offensive Wood NCT 1290 85
Stiga Optimum Sync 1224 157*151*6,4mm
Stiga Saive Power WRB 1265 neu
Stiga Tube Allround 1156 88 5,5mm dick
Stiga Tube Aluminium 1396 83 verkleinert auf 14,5 mal 14,5cm
Stiga Tube Carbo 1399 88 7mm dick
Stiga Tube Carbo 1420 gek?rzt, versiegelt
Stiga Tube Light 1241 90
Stiga Tube Light 1303 gek?rzt, versiegelt
Tibhar Black Carbon 1610 80
Tibhar Black Silver 1204 88 anatomisch
Tibhar Icon Sensitec 1261 83
Tibhar IV-L Light Contact 1227 81 6,5mm dick
Tibhar Nimbus OFF 1400
Tibhar Samsonov Carbon 1651 97
Tibhar Samsonov Carbon 1657
Tibhar Xeon Sensitec 1264
TSP Black Blizzard 1180
TSP Black Blizzard Carbon Off 1180
TSP Hinoki Pure 1790 88
TT Manufaktur Spinmaster Plus 1344 Nicht versiegelt
Tulpe 702 1331
Tulpe Black Power 1343
W. Froese Def/All 976 Griff d?nner geschliffen
Weltklasse Futec II 1304
Weltklasse Prestige Carbon 1063 weiches Off Holz
Weltklasse Speedster 1465 Sehr hartes Balsa Off+ Holz
XIOM Jazz 1636
XIOM Michelangelo 1393
XIOM Stradivarius 1481 2009 Version
Yasaka Extra 1251
Yasaka Ma Lin Soft Carbon 1305 90
Yinhe 896 1400 84
Yinhe 980 1217 89 FL, hart?lversiegelt
Yinhe 980 1234 CS Abwehrholz
Yinhe 2011 1300 92 OFF, Temposch?tzung 91
Yinhe EC-13 1180 88 OFF-, Temposch?tzung 86
Yinhe K-1 1455 87 OFF+, Temposch?tzung 94
Yinhe K-3 1310 86 konkav, nicht versiegelt
Yinhe LQ-1 1200 91 ALL+, Temposch?tzung 85
Yinhe M-3 1543
Yinhe M-6 1390 86 OFF-, Temposch?tzung 87
Yinhe MC-3 1200 88 OFF, Temposch?tzung 89
Yinhe Stock Premium 1234 80
Yinhe T-1 2044
Yinhe T-11 2000 70 OFF+, Temposch?tzung 95
Yinhe T-2 1623
Yinhe T-3 1695 86
Yinhe T-4 1580 78 OFF, Temposch?tzung 92
Yinhe T-5 1639
Yinhe T-6 1777
Yinhe T-7 1587 87 konkav
Yinhe T-8 1593
Yinhe W-3 1545 88 Tempo 94 / Biegefestigkeit 99
Yinhe W-5 1400 85 OFF, Temposch?tzung 93
Yinhe W-6 1135 92 ALL+, Temposch?tzung 84, 164x151mm
Yinhe W-6 1225 85 konkav

[Cip]

Interesant. Daca ma uit la caracteristicile date pentru lemnele care mi-au placut mie sunt intre 1300 si 1500. Cred ca se poate lua ca etalon pentru testarea de lemne noi. Spre exemplu as putea incerca Galaxy K-1.
---------- Post added 20-Mar-2011 at 10:32 ----------
Daca ma uit mai bine unele sunt chiar peste 1500. (Viscaria Light)

[cezarhtn]

Si daca vreti sa va lamuririti complet ,daca aveti rabdare cititi aici:
http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum...lade-materials
Un mic rezumat:
Blade Thickness Blade Mass Blade Stiffness Stiffness vs 4 mm
Black Walnut 1 ply Amultart 4 mm 77 64 100%
5 mm 96 125 195%
53/43 = 125/64 = 195% increase in stiffness: stiffness increases as the third power of thickness.
HOWEVER, stiffness does not equal SPEED, it contributes to speed.
FREQUENCY however is directly tied to SPEED but none of the blade manufacturers measure the frequency of their blades. You can listen to the frequency and pick the faster blade by listening for the higher pitch.
Many factors effect blade performance: mass, bending frequency, damping, swing weight, and surface layer hardness. All of these factors also have to be matched to your personal preferences and style of play. Of these factors, only mass is ever directly listed in catalogs. Surface layer hardness is alluded to as soft, medium or hard feel. Bending frequency and damping are mixed together and alluded to as defensive (low frequency, higher damping), all-round (medium frequency, unknown damping), offensive (high frequency, low damping).
The frequencies you get from a model of blade varies depending upon the particular example blade you measure of that model. Since blade weights of a given model (Timo Boll ALC for instance, or Amultart, or Clipper, etceteras) can vary, the actual vibration frequency results will also vary. You can see this by looking at the data for the two Amultarts, one is 91 grams and is significantly faster than the 89 gram Amultart.
I've not made any measurements but it would be a pretty easy test to perform.

At a minimum, as you add lacquer the weight increase (typically 1 gram) causes a shift in the mode frequencies. As an example, for the calculated Hinoki single ply 10 mm cantilever, adding 1 gram of mass make the n=1 mode frequency drop from 292 Hz to 285 Hz. I would believe that the 7 Hz difference will probably not be noticable to most players, but adding 2 grams results in a 14 Hz change and this is getting noticable.

However, adding 80+ grams of rubbers really reduces the frequency of your racket, so at that point I don't know if you could feel the frequency change from only 1 or 2 grams of lacquer. In addition, lacquering stiffens the wood and thereby increases the modulus at the top layer and this will act to increase frequency and you might just enough to offset the increase in weight to end up with the mode frequency unchanged (or even raised).

I would think that you won't feel too much effect when driving the ball before getting to some reasonably heavy lacquering simply because the weight being added is only 1 gram and the weight of rubber will swamp the signal.

However, when bouncing the ball on bare wood at small bounce speeds you could probably hear a difference (especially if you had perfect pitch) and you might feel a difference in the hardness of the top layer if it originally started out as pretty soft and if the lacquer made it hard.

[marcbarbu]

Orice obiect vibreaza. Nu cred ca frecventa la care vibreaza lemnele ajuta prea mult in cazul asta ci amplitudinea vibratiilor. Adica cred ca vei simti mai vibrant un lemn care vibreaza 1 secunda la 1200hz decat unul care vibreaza 0.1 secunde la 1700hz.
Dar s-ar putea sa ma insel.

[cezarhtn]

Cred ca ati vrut sa spuneti durata,nu amplitudine(care este influentata de forta impulsului aplicat).Durata vibratiilor este micsorata de materiale compozite precum arylate,zylon sau de un lemn moale ca balsa.

[Stelannic]

am doua intrebari 1cind,cum si ce va face sa decretati ca un lemn vibreaza si la ce ajuta asta unui om care are probleme cu vederea ?
2 cum v-ati dat seama ca paleta lui Timo Boll vibreaza?

[marcbarbu]

Nu-l ajuta bre pe om cu nimic. El vede prost si macar pentru asta vrea sa nu-si ia teapa. Dupa parerea mea, o investitie mai buna ar fi in ochelari, pentru ca daca nu va atinge mingea nu va simti nici o vibratie din cel lemn.
Toate lucrurile din univers vibreaza si toate rezoneaza la o anumita frecventa. Inclusiv Timo Boll sau paleta sa

[emipeter]

Eu am un lemn confectionat de cineva din Călărași. Cu ceva asemanator joca Dorinel Dinca, care a c?stigat turneul de la Galați, si va pot spune ca are un control nemaipomenit. Eu sunt incepator si cu acest lemn mi-am format ,,deprinderile'' in ale tenisului. Incerca-l, merita.

[prae2orian]

Si inca ceva...am citit mai demult printr-un topic pe-aici pe forum, ca cineva care a dat cu Nittaku Septear avea impresia ca nu vibreaza si dupa ce a dat cu un lemn cu carbon in el a ajuns la concluzia ca totusi Septear-ul vibreaza...nu sunt 100% sigur, dar e posibil sa fie VISCO (Aurel Onut) persoana in cauza.

Sa inteleg din afirmatia de mai sus ca lemnele cu carbon vibreaza foarte putin sau deloc? Eu sunt in cautarea unui lemn care sa vibreze cat mai putin...